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Post by iceburgeruk on Apr 5, 2007 10:23:52 GMT -5
A lot of people might say just use storm or wolvie.
But firstly that requires drastic rewrites. You have to somehow turn apocalypse or mister sinister into wolverine villains which seems like a bit too much of a rewrite. I mean sinister`s entire character is that he is obsessed with the summers bloodline. What is he suddenly real impressed by logan becuase of his nifty claws?
No cyclops means cable and rachel summers can never appear.
Secondly a wolvie centered franchise is rather limited. Either you can only have the team fight villains wolvie can take down or you make the villains weaker so wolvie can take them. And in that case can any self respected x-men fan really say they think that wolvie kiling apocalypse or sinister just by scratching them is a good idea. "Oh no you found my one weakness....physical injury."lol
On that point how would logan go about combating shadow king? Slice and dice a being who is pure mental energy. Yeah that makes sense.
Thirdly without cyclops the team is very underpowered. Say they have the sentinels in the next movie. With the x-3 team of beast, shadowcat, wolvie, iceman, collosus, angel(maybe) and storm. 4 of those are pretty much grounded (beast, shadowcat, wolvie and collosus) and only able to attack the sentinels` ankles. Baring a silly idea that kitty would keep jump off rooftops and collosus and wolverine would do 50 fastball specials.lol. The other 3 (iceman, angel and storm)...iceman hasn`t demonstrated a slide yet so he might be grounded as wel. angel just is a guy with wings so what can he feasibly do against a giant robot. And so the only member who can do anything is storm with her weather.
So the point is they need cyclops (or maybe havok) back just to make a rounded team.
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Post by canemacar on May 8, 2007 20:06:15 GMT -5
It's not that hard. Cyclops is greatly overrated anyway. Apocalypse, Cable, Havok, and Rachel should stay out anyway, and that Summers fixation has always been more of an anchor to Sinister than anything else. Simply do what they've done in the comics and shift his focus to the entire mutant species.
Power-wise, Cyke's blast are only about as strong as a punch from Colossus. The team will be fine.
Cyke isn't needed and should stay dead. He was like a cardboard-cutout anyway.
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Post by Magnus on May 8, 2007 22:30:41 GMT -5
Power-wise, Cyke's blast are only about as strong as a punch from Colossus. Actually, in the deleted scenes of the first X-Men movie, Jean says that without his visor/glasses, his eyes could punch a hole through a mountain. I'm pretty sure Colossus can't do that.
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Post by canemacar on May 9, 2007 19:27:57 GMT -5
Aside from the fact that being in a deleted scene means it's not an actual part of continuity, Colossus is in class 100 of Marvel's strength scale. That means his strength level is incalculable. It wouldn't be beyond him to be able to do so if he were able to theoretically reach all the way through the mountain. Also, Psylocke's TK *has* shattered mountains so she also makes his power obsolete. Gambit can also charge his cards to the point where they KO'd Gladiator, a Superman level bad guy.
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Post by kasjan on May 10, 2007 17:53:14 GMT -5
We are not sure that Cyke is really dead...
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Post by Magnus on May 10, 2007 21:18:43 GMT -5
Cyclops is dead, and he better not come back. Everyone who died in X3 should stay dead.
My Ideas If they do make an X4 that's not a spin-off it would add the perfect chance for some major X-Men to get more screen time like Kitty, Colossus, Angel, bring back Nightcrawler, fix Storm, add Gambit, give Rogue her good powers, add some more known villains like Scarlet Witch/Pietro, Sinister, Sentinels (more than the 5 seconds of a head like in X3), Omega Red, and the most important thing of all: keep Phoenix/Jean DEAD, they already messed it up, and it will be even worse if they try to bring her back.
I think a good idea would be some spin-off movies like the old '94 Generation X movie. They could do one entirely on Cable and Apocalypse, or Days of Future Past, etc.
And when are the movies going to incorporate other Marvel heroes/villains in them. The only mention of anyone outside the X-Men in the movies was a file on Franklin Richards on Stryker's computer in X2. I'd love to see a Fantastic Four/X-Men crossover.
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Post by randell on Sept 30, 2007 21:50:36 GMT -5
If everyone in X3 dead to stay dead, then there is only storm and wolvie.....and you think that add more mutants are good?Oh I am not so agree with that.New cast are needed but the old cast is still needed
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Post by wolverine23 on Feb 22, 2008 3:55:22 GMT -5
well...Cyclops can't stay dead...i don't like the guy but he is part of X-men history..and the leader(in a way)..he can't stay dead..ruins the x-men franchise....
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Post by pauln6 on Feb 23, 2008 3:05:42 GMT -5
You see, this is why I think they should do another trilogy featuring the Marauders masacre, Apocoplypse and his horsemen, and a final showdown (maybe featuring Apocolypse, Cable, sentinels, and the Hellfire Club).
Cyclops and Jean are both needed to create Cable so why not just place them in the hands of Sinister (as clones or not). they may not actually appear until the third film but it could be fun.
I also agree that they should make use of new iconic X-men
X4: The Marauders Massacre - wipe out Morlocks, take out Shadowcat, Nightcrawler, Colossus and Angel. Introduce Betsy (English version - Sophia Myles would be nice) and do the showdown between Betsy and Sabretooth. At the end Betsy can probe Tooth's mind while he fights Wolvie to learn about Apocolypse. Maybe also learn that Scott and Jean are alive (he never died, she was a psychic projection made up of telekinetically held together molecules?) to produce a genetically powerful host (i.e. Nathan Summers) Gambit could be brought in here too, maybe affiliated with the Morlocks. Possibly Rogue can be possessed by Malice as a way to permanently absorb some super strength from someone. Film ends with the wounded Angel being taken into the fold by Apocoplypse.
X5: Bring in some new X-men Havok, Polaris, Dazzler, Gambit to fill the ranks. Deal with Colossus paralysis, Kitty can't unphase, Nightcrawler can't teleport, Rogue has two personalities etc. Magneto agrees to help and joins the Hellfire Club. Introduce Cable. Showdown with Apocoplypse and his horsemen at the end. Maybe Psylocke is captured and remade as the asian assassin ready for X6. Film ends when Angel reveals the plans for Scott, Jean, and their baby.
X6: Possibly run with the plot about the 12. Apocolypse needs their powers to fuel his transition into the body of Nathan Summers. Hellfire Club, Sentinels, X-men and Apocolypse all have a big fight. Film ends when baby is taken into the future by Cable or possibly Cyclops becomes new host for Apocolypse.
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Post by windsurfer8290 on Feb 23, 2008 17:48:20 GMT -5
I think Cyclops should definitely come back to the movies. Especially because in X3 it was never actually fact that he was killed. It was insinuated, but you never know. I think Jean should come back (and not die this time) and just have her struggle with the Phoenix this time.
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Post by Magnus on Feb 23, 2008 19:03:27 GMT -5
I think Cyclops should definitely come back to the movies. Especially because in X3 it was never actually fact that he was killed. It was insinuated, but you never know. I think Jean should come back (and not die this time) and just have her struggle with the Phoenix this time. That could work w/Cyke. I'm just afraid they'll come up with some really stupid resurrection story. X3 messed up so many things that it will be very, very hard to recover from it.
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Post by ark1ve on Apr 3, 2009 14:35:15 GMT -5
I think Cyclops should definitely come back to the movies. Especially because in X3 it was never actually fact that he was killed. It was insinuated, but you never know. I think Jean should come back (and not die this time) and just have her struggle with the Phoenix this time. That could work w/Cyke. I'm just afraid they'll come up with some really stupid resurrection story. X3 messed up so many things that it will be very, very hard to recover from it. It is unlikely, and maybe insulting to the Director/writers, but let's just redo the third movie. Make some excuse that it was all a dream or vision. X3 was so bad and any recovering idea from it will still be flawed, as you said. X2 was the best of the four movies, let's go back to that one and start again. Or reboot, Famke, for example, is getting a little aged to be Jean. Actually, if we redo the third movie, we can have Jean stay hidden for awhile and just continue to hint towards the Phoenix.
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