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Post by Downhere on Feb 22, 2007 22:52:28 GMT -5
Yet it still managed to best X2 by 20 million. As I have said, the X-Men franchise has always been frontloaded. Did you expect the third in the trilogy to be any different? At least it made more than the previous films and the trilogy stands as one of only a few that have had each film make more than the previous one.
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Post by DarkPhoenixKid on Feb 22, 2007 23:09:34 GMT -5
It doesn't matter how badly it's legs were, It sucedded the first two in terms of retail and box office in every way possible,thats not a bad leg. LEt's take a look at what other big boxoffice movies failed to live up to the boxoffice results compared to X3
1)Superman
2) Mission Impossible 3
3) Snakes on a Plane
4) The Break Up
5) The Devil Wears Prada,that's not a bad leg,it actually was the second best of the summer season,only losing to POTC 2,thats actually good considering how much critisism X3 got compared to how praise POCT2 was.
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Post by Upthere on Feb 22, 2007 23:33:05 GMT -5
Actually, Cars defeated X3 by 10 million, bumping X3 to number 3 for the summer. And Night at the Museum will soon bump Cars and X3 down a spot for the year. And Pirates didn't get very good ratings anyway...53% at rotten tomatoes, and was on many charts as one of the worst films of 2006...as was X3 too.
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Post by DarkPhoenixKid on Feb 23, 2007 2:44:00 GMT -5
Oh yes CArs,i have forgotten about that one. I don't think A Night At The Museum will be counted in for 06,although it was released in December 06, in most places around the world it didnt open til early 07,and it gained most of its box office numbers in 07,to add it to the 06 charts would be cheating in a way.
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Post by Downhere on Feb 23, 2007 9:54:15 GMT -5
For it's domestic release, NATM will be counted toward 2006 because it opened in 2006. That's usually how it works because it didn't open in '07 so they can't say it's an '07 film, so even though it spilled over to '07, they still count it for '06.
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Post by xfan6 on Feb 23, 2007 16:03:43 GMT -5
The problem is that another X-Men film would end up costing more than X3, unless they do something about the big character's which the actor's playing them cost a lot of green to secure. ...Fox has to stop micro managing this franchise and let the director and writers have creative freedom and most importantly time! The more time the less it would cost and would allow everything to be fine tuned to perfection or close to it. I really don't have much faith in Fox though, so the micro-managing will probably continue. YES! i think it was fox's fault for rushing cuz it made it cost more AND the quality poorer. i think fox played this out REALLY dumbly. and somewhere u were saying "do you think the third move would be any different [legs wise])" and my answer to that is YES!!!! i really think that if X3 had gotten good reviews and WOM, it's drops would've been MUCH shallower and the succes would continue. i think part of the reason the opening of X3 was so high was because of the critical success of X2. but now, i think X3 hurt X4... i think X4 would open lower and probably rely HEAVILY on WOM and reviews. BUT IT COULD BE DONE!!! NO. MUST BE DONE! so about wolverine vs. X4.... what you were saying was EXACTLY what i'm afraid of!!! it does make sense... i think A wolverin movie would open to 65-80 million for a total of 175-220. but it probably would cost more in the 80-120 million range. so if it makes even just 350 million Worldwide, it would be much more profitable than X3. and then they'd want to make a wolvie 2  Yeah so i think for fox Wolverine is basically a guarantee, while X4 would be a risk, though it would have a possibility of MUCH higher returns. So i don't know if i want to support Wolvy or not!!! cuz i neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed X-men 4!!!!! oh yeah and i dunno if u were referring to me when u were talking about ppl upset about x3's legs but not x2, but i've been talking about the xmen franchises legs sucking:) i really liked in that interview when tom rothman said "maybe we'll just havta listen to the fans"  They shoulda signed all the cast for another 3 movies! and then 3 more. and then 3 more. and 3 more for forever i don't think shrek 3 will be NEARLY as big as 2. i think POTC3 will be smaller than POTC2, but i don't know by how much. (HOPEFULLY A TON!!!!) sry for the long post! |
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Post by Downhere on Feb 23, 2007 17:21:10 GMT -5
Xfan6, when I was talking about people upset about X3's leg's but not X2's, I was talking about everyone who has complained about the box office performance of X3. There are many who have complained, not only here, but in many other boards. I just think that many focus entirely on the negative and don't look at the positive.
But anyways, I have to disagree with you on the fact that if X3's reviews would have been better that it would have had better legs. I think it would have been the same. My reason is this, X2 got rave reviews from everyone (mind you, many called it the best comic book movie ever) and it still only managed a 2.5 multiplier after a huge 85 million dollar weekend in a time when huge openings and sharp declines was just starting. With an opening of 85 million, many thought it was destined for the 300 million dollar club, myself included. Unfortunately I and many other's were wrong and it had a hefty second weekend drop and another pretty big drop in the face of The Matrix 2. It was and still is a blockbuster but not an uber-blockbuster. X3 proved the same fate. While the reviews were not as strong, many non-fans seemed to enjoy the heck out of it but it didn't reach the heights many wanted. The X-Men franchise just can't go beyond it's initial fanbase. I think it may be because it's not as comic book(ie) as Spider-Man and may be a little too sci-fi for many, but it still is the second biggest comic book franchise behind Spider-Man. I think many who speak negatively of the X-Men franchises box office earning forget the fact that the X-Men franchise continued to improve (monetary wise) with each film. It is one of very few franchises to do so. It doesn't matter if it opened huge and fell hard, it still made more than the previous film and is in the top 5 films domestically. Also, let me reiterate, the X-Men franchise is second only to Spider-Man. That may change in the future but for now X-Men is number 2 worldwide for comic book films.
By the way, you don't have to be sorry for the long post...I do that all the time. lol. Oh and believe me, neither Shrek 3 or POTC 3 will be as big as their previous sequels. I don't think there will be a 400 million dollar film this year, unless Spider-Man 3 is THAT good.
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Post by Upthere on Feb 23, 2007 21:52:06 GMT -5
Maybe this did or did not affect X3's box office, but i believe so many clips and TV spots were released that you could've seen basically the whole movie with those. Oh yeah, if X4 is announced, will it be like released in 2012 or something, cause don't they have to finish Wolverine and Magneto first?
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Post by Downhere on Feb 23, 2007 23:18:52 GMT -5
I highly doubt the Magneto film will be made, it will probably be in limbo for a while. I'd say if Fox goes ahead with an X-Men 4, that the earliest it would come out is around 2010.
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Post by Upthere on Feb 23, 2007 23:21:52 GMT -5
Downhere, do you think X3's memorial weekend will fall to POTC 3?
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Post by Downhere on Feb 23, 2007 23:25:32 GMT -5
There is a high probability of it. I, personally, think it will make what the second one made in 3 days but it will make it in 4, over the memorial weekend. If Shrek 3 opens huge, it will most likely have a huge second weekend which will hinder POTC 3's opening weekend, but $135-145 million over the 4 day weekend is where it will land probably. I'm thinking on the lower end of that prediction.
Although, any predictions at this point are futile, as there is no way to determine how things will play out. There has never been 2 films which it's predecessor made over 400 million open just a week apart.
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Post by Upthere on Feb 23, 2007 23:26:41 GMT -5
And then Indy 4 has a high chance of breaking it again, haha. Though it may be more difficult because it is released on a thursday.
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Post by Downhere on Feb 23, 2007 23:28:47 GMT -5
And then Indy 4 has a high chance of breaking it again, haha. Though it may be more difficult because it is released on a thursday. I don't expect Indy to break the record. While Indy is big, Ford is an old man already and the trilogy was never as big as some of the franchises we have today. I don't even think it will beat X3's memorial take. At most it will probably make 100 million over 4 days. |
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Post by Upthere on Feb 23, 2007 23:29:59 GMT -5
I don't know, Indy is such a huge icon, and the anticipation will be huge as fans have been waiting on it for years, kind of like the phantom menace. Lucas and Spielberg think this is the best script ever, and if done right, it will be humongous.
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Post by Downhere on Feb 23, 2007 23:32:31 GMT -5
It would have to be mighty good to be uber big. While Indy is a huge icon, it's been over 15 years since the last one was released. This is not Starwars we are talking about. Look at Terminator 3, it was a good enough movie but only mustered around 150 million. I would say Terminator is a bigger icon, but Arnold's age and all taken into account...well, while it did good business it wasn't uber big. I think the same fate may befall Indy 4, except a total of around 200 million because of the PG-13 rating...but if somehow the movie comes out really, really good and I mean really good then maybe north of 250 mil.
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Post by xfan6 on Feb 24, 2007 10:47:51 GMT -5
xmen is #2 for the moment (even though it SHOULD be #1) but the batman and superman sequels have a shot at bumping it out of it's seat. and i still think that x3 would've done better with better reviews, cuz i know tons of people that saw x2 on dvd and said they'd go see x3 if they heard ti was good, and wound up not seeing it xmen CAN go beyond it's initial fan base and it will!!! aHHHHHH!!! and i think it kinda already has, cuz i know some people that i discovered to be closet xmen fans when i went around making everybody go see X3 lol. I think Indiana Jones is going to be VERY hard to predict. it definitely is NOT on the same level as star wars, but falls in the same category as a movie with a fairly large fanbase that has been in production(ish) for years. IF there is any significant competition for it,i think Indiana Jones will be a success, but not huge. but if it has no competition, i think it could reach the 240 range. Rar. i want them to hurry up and start X4 so they can start taking their time |
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Post by Downhere on Feb 24, 2007 11:31:35 GMT -5
When I say initial fanbase, I mean the huge comic book fans and the casual fans. It hasn't been able to go beyond that like Potter, Spider-Man, POTC, LOTR, etc. have. Even a film considered the best comic book film of all time didn't do it so I don't think any other X-Men film will either. I am just happy that it is a success. While I like X-Men the best out of the comic book creations, I'm just happy that is has been a hit and produced a trilogy.
I don't know about the people you know not seeing it, but everyone I know who aren't into comic books saw it and loved it. Of course, when I mentioned my gripes about the movie they were all like saying I take the comic books to seriously. lol. *sighs* Oh well. lol.
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Post by Upthere on Feb 24, 2007 11:43:21 GMT -5
Downhere, when we first saw X3's opening weekend numbers, what did you expect its total would be at that point?
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Post by Downhere on Feb 24, 2007 11:46:16 GMT -5
Going by X2's numbers I thought around 240-250. I made the mistake of thinking huge numbers with X2, so I knew it would end up with a similar multiplier as X2. If fell a bit short but only by 5 mil of my assumption.
What did you think it would make?
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Post by Upthere on Feb 24, 2007 11:49:40 GMT -5
Honestly, i thought 270 million haha, it just seemed to me it would have better legs, oh well, it fell short. Downhere, did you find any exact amounts of money earned through DVD sales? I do know Pirates 2 is the best selling live action DVD in history, but that's pretty much all i heard about DVD sales in general.
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Yeah so i think for fox Wolverine is basically a guarantee, while X4 would be a risk, though it would have a possibility of MUCH higher returns. So i don't know if i want to support Wolvy or not!!! cuz i neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed X-men 4!!!!!